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that has upset and has really agitated people. >> host: ambassador, you talk about president obama having a -- of drones sunny these are the reports published about the relationship with president obama and the drones. the rolling stone article says, -- i would have thought this temperment -- a camp passion not man i would have thought he would handle it differently but the use of drone has gone up exponentially and the impact on both societies has been devastating. so, some way we need to connect the dots, some way we need to say people who are pressing the button in the midwest or far west in the united states, and across the world. entire families and communities and women and children, people going to a funeral, people going to wedding party, are being blown up, and then here we sit, collateral damage, there nor civilians being killed. we need to connect these two very different worlds and see ultimately, is that what we, the united states of america, stand for? is that what we're exporting to the world? >> host: how do we connect with that in your view? sunny think the debate has to
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